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Re: “Skeptical Activism: Removing the Spin

People like Dee are what we call pseudoskeptics or pathological skeptics. They pretend to be skeptical of "dodgy" claims, practice critical thinking and adhere to scientific principles but they rarely ever do. As you see here, Dee continually makes grand purely faith-based pronouncements but is completely unable or unwilling to support them in any way, because you can't provide evidence for what doesn't exist.

Instead of rationally dealing with the topic at hand he attempts to malign people by introducing irrelevant information. An actual skeptic will be skeptical of those who steadfastly refuse to support the claims they make, substitute ridicule for evidence or redirect attention away from the topic at hand.

Posted by Michael Fullerton on 08/29/2018 at 1:59 PM

Re: “Skeptical Activism: Removing the Spin

LOL indeed, "Michael."

You apparently never tire of repeating yourself, so I will repsond in kind (from my previous post): Perhaps I would attack your arguments if the Novella debate (which was summarized in the Vice article) did not already prove that engaging in any debate with you is fruitless. Your arguments are not science based and your logic is unsound. I find your obfuscation of science offensive and dangerous.

Your attacks on fact- and science-based skepticism would possibly carry a modicum of weight, if any semblance rational credibility wasn't forfeited by your ridiculous 911 conspiracy theory. If you sincerely apologize for your pathological 911 truther quest and denounce it as the uneducated, attention-grabbing, nonsensical trash that it has been proven to be, I might consider engaging you on another subject.

And now, for something not quite completely different, as an example of your "logic":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

This is my last post on this subject.

Posted by Dee M on 08/29/2018 at 11:44 AM

Re: “Skeptical Activism: Removing the Spin

LOL "Dee", your posts consist of nothing but logical fallacies. Here you continue with your attacks and pepper these with raving pronouncements of unadulterated faith (bare assertion fallacies). This is all "skeptics" like you can do to support your grossly distorted view of science and critical thinking.

Hopefully the rational readers here will understand that your contributions are nothing but a diversion away from the imminently serious topic at hand, the scientific and critical thinking butchery meted out in Dunnings recent documentary. Perhaps my article contained some errors? Why then doesn't someone rationally point them out rather than engage in attacks and other sophomoric diversions? To me that is always a clue: when arguments can't be attacked, the arguer is attacked instead. Talk about playground tactics.

Posted by Michael Fullerton on 08/28/2018 at 12:46 PM

Re: “Skeptical Activism: Removing the Spin

Once again, Michael, you are the king of projection. Your penchant for employing the playground tactic of "I know you are, but what am I" is exhausting and pathetic.

Obviously, you are desperate for attention when you share a link to an article you wrote - on a website that you manage (and apparently created) - to garner hits. Continuing this tactic by providing 2 more links to your website, as a counterpoint to the well researched Vice article, becomes even more laughable knowing that YOU wrote those 2 linked articles. You continue to defend yourself with your own flawed circular logic...what a surprise.

My reference to the Vice article was to give any readers who may be following this thread, context into your agenda: self promotion built from an easily (and repeatedly) debunked conspiracy theory. The best part of my first post is that it provided a link to an article written by someone who objectively followed a public discourse (providing a link to the debate transcript) and came to the same rational conclusion about your viewpoints as myself.

Perhaps I would attack your arguments if the Novella debate (which was summarized in the Vice article) did not already prove that engaging in any debate with you is fruitless. Your arguments are not science based and your logic is unsound. I find your obfuscation of science offensive and dangerous.

Posted by Dee M on 08/28/2018 at 12:27 PM

Re: “Skeptical Activism: Removing the Spin

I've committed no ad hominem. I suspect you have no idea what this fallacy is. This fallacy involves attacking a person instead of dealing with the person's argument. Like you've done here.

You've actually committed this fallacy by refusing to address the points my article exposes about Dunning and instead post a completely irrelevant Vice hack job involved a debate I've had with another "skeptic". Your attacking me instead of my arguments.

The following article shows how I was not in any way crushed by Novella. The next shows Vice's complete lack of journalistic integrity.

http://skeptopathy.com/wp/?p=330
http://skeptopathy.com/wp/?p=341

Posted by Michael Fullerton on 08/27/2018 at 10:42 AM

Re: “Skeptical Activism: Removing the Spin

Hey Michael:

I do find it curious that you - who apparently lives in Canada - quickly responded to a free small town publication. You did this to provide a link to a review on your website criticising one of Brian's works. Your first paragraph of this review is also a blatant ad hominem attack on Brian...project much, Michael?

Regardless, The fact that you don't live in central Oregon, but felt compelled to weigh in on this article is enough information to trust Brian's comments. Oh, that and this article summarizing your 2014 debate with Dr. Steven Novella (who, BTW, totally CRUSHED you and your absurdly delusional 911 truther vomit) :

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/539dex/are-911-truthers-still-science-proof

Posted by Dee M on 08/25/2018 at 12:00 PM

Re: “Skeptical Activism: Removing the Spin

A couple of things to ask yourself:

1) how would Brian know what Google alerts I have setup? He is either simply lying about me as a pathetic attempt to discredit me or he somehow (terrifyingly) has access to my personal Google account. Which is it Brian?

2) why would he attack me instead of attack the arguments I made about his film? What he is employing here is a boringly common fallacy called ad hominem, attack the person not the argument. This champion of "critical thinking" employs fallacies (the direct opposite of critical thinking) instead of reasoned debate.

Posted by Michael Fullerton on 08/24/2018 at 9:44 PM

Re: “Skeptical Activism: Removing the Spin

Actually I do encourage people -- if you can stomach some pretty far-out thinking -- to click on Michael Fullerton's blog that he links above. He is one of a number of well-known people with Google Alerts set up for a large number of science writers and public science communicators, and he posts something similar to this anytime one of our names comes up. (Think of Don Quixote mixed with Alex Jones.)

It's a fascinating glimpse into the kind of mind that guarantees science communicators are going to have our hands full for the foreseeable future.

Posted by BrianDunning on 08/24/2018 at 8:59 PM

Re: “Skeptical Activism: Removing the Spin

For anyone looking for an alternate look at Brian Dunning and his latest film you can check out this recent review at Skeptopathy Magazine: http://skeptopathy.com/wp/?p=502

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Posted by Michael Fullerton on 08/24/2018 at 4:03 AM

Re: “Think It, Make It

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Posted by Bill Rose on 07/20/2018 at 12:02 PM

Re: “Remembering Deshaun

Thanks for your comments, Crystal, and we have to agree about Alex's comments. While we could speculate whether the color of Deshuan's skin led to him being targeted by other kids, this was a story about bullying and its effect, which in this case was suicide. Every kid who commits suicide is the "face" of suicide. Did you want us to go seek out a farmer, just to prove your point? Suicide is heartbreaking, no matter who experiences it.

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Posted by Nicole Vulcan on 05/18/2018 at 3:48 PM

Re: “Bike Skills are Life Skills

I just read about this program and it's so awesome! Absolutely recommending to my fiancee, we just bought two bikes last week and I love the entire idea. You guys need to spread the word!

Posted by Thomas Wilson on 05/11/2018 at 3:23 PM

Re: “Remembering Deshaun

Deshauns was my nephews cousin on his dads side, I personally only meant this young man a couple times, but his death was and still is very closely felt throughout my whole family, that being said, I am the program director of a new youth ministry here in Central Oregon, our ministry focuses on high risk youth, mostly in the system but I feel God tugging on me to help in this area, we are working on getting a mentoring program up and going and I think kids struggling with depression and/or suicide, would fit well with such a program, if there is any organization out there that can use a Christian presence or might have kids in need of a strong role model in their lives, I would love the opportunity to get together with them and discuss partnering with them to help such youth. We have several churches in the area ready to provide mentors to any kids we can find that would be in need of such.
I look forward to hearing from anyone who might be interested. My name is Jonathan Van Vliet and here is my contact information, email jonathan@centraloregonyfc.org, phone number 5419485592 and our Facebook page is @coyfcjjm I can be reached at any of these.

We are praying for and seeking out lost youth daily and hope to be nothing but a positive influence in their lives through our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

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Posted by Jonathan Van Vliet on 05/09/2018 at 10:22 AM

Re: “Remembering Deshaun

Hey Alex. Great job in devaluing the kids life since "young blacks are hardly the face of the suicide epidemic". This article isn't posted because the boy is not white. The article is posted because bullying is an issue of all races, sizes and colors and most adults seem to just keep kicking the issue down the road. Maybe next time just post your facts on your own social media page to raise awareness and not on an article trying to shed light on this particular humans suicide. It is not a color, race, boy/girl, problem it is a human problem. Humans not respecting humans. It is a let's ignore the uncomfortable problem. It is a let's not talk about it until it's too late and another innocent teenager takes their own life problem.

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Posted by Crystal Sutfin on 05/09/2018 at 3:49 AM

Re: “Remembering Deshaun

Touching. But young blacks are hardly the face of a suicide epidemic.

The group that is suffering the most are rural farmers. The suicide rate pales even veterans. But nobody really cares about those two groups.

Because they are overwhelmingly White.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/06/why-are-americas-farmers-killing-themselves-in-record-numbers

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Posted by Alex Loanstein on 05/08/2018 at 5:27 PM

Re: “Remembering Deshaun

My son took his life at 37 years old in 2008....he expressed his frustrations and depression but made me promise not to tell his friends....so I didn't....after his death TOO many don't want to address suicide.....it needs to be talked about!!

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Posted by Gramma on 05/06/2018 at 7:31 PM

Re: “Remembering Deshaun

Appreciate your comments, Nathan. There are a lot of layers here and were glad we could tell this story to get this conversation going. Deshaun deserves that.

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Posted by Nicole Vulcan on 05/05/2018 at 6:41 PM

Re: “Remembering Deshaun

Thank you, thank you, thank you for writing this. The story hasn't been even a blip on the radar since it happened, which speaks volumes. This is an issue of bullying, much more so than just an issue of depression. As a person of color whose background has been working with adolescents my entire professional life, I cannot help but wonder if, by saying labeling it "depression," that we are avoiding dialogue on a much larger issue. What I see happening is the maintenance of a very negative status quo here in Bend. If we are to move forward and upward as a community, we cannot allow this incident to be swept under the rug. We are harboring bullys instead of calling them out. Even Deshauns comments indicate that he thought these bullys would be brought to justice once he was gone, yet they seem to be protected by the silence of others. The privilege of a bully being able to hide in plain sight is astonishing, and reminiscent of something one would see if the South during the 60s. But this is Bend, in 2018. People, especially our youth, need to speak up. I think we need to take a good look at ourselves in the mirror and ask, Who do we want to become? What do we want to be known for?

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Posted by Nathan on 05/05/2018 at 12:03 PM

Re: “Do You Even Home Brew, Bro?

Take it easy and have a Homebrew.

Posted by weylin on 03/16/2018 at 6:11 AM

Re: “Do You Even Home Brew, Bro?

When will all these obnoxious home brewers over brewing, making my neighborhood smell and causing pandemic yeast infections start being raided by the Deschutes Bag Sheriff's Office?

When will the illegal overproduction of beer end!

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Posted by brewselfish on 03/14/2018 at 6:33 PM

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