For decades we on the “right” have stood by and watched as “liberal” mobs have destroyed buildings, attacked individuals, and seen laws passed to prevent individuals from expressing their views. Add to this the denigration of those on the “right” by the mainstream media, and one should be able to recognize the frustration felt by the common person on the street.
In the 60’s we watched as mobs protested the Vietnam War. Since that time we have seen these same “liberal mobs” attack Conservative speakers on university campuses such as happened to the Minutemen, Ann Coulter, David Horowitz, Bill Kristol, Michael Steele, etc. We saw the assault on the podiums, the pies being thrown, or Oreo cookies. Code Pink consistently disrupts Congressional hearings and town hall meetings.
When Conservatives attempted to protest Roe v. Wade we watched as the police were brought out to arrest the protestors. Then laws were passed to limit, or prevent, protests. Lawsuits were filed under the RICO Act against groups opposed to abortion. Then there was the denigration of these groups with the “liberal” mantra: “Conservatives love the fetus, hate the child” even when Conservatives were building clinics as an alternative to abortion, helping these mothers find others to adopt the child, and providing prenatal care to the mothers that chose to not have an abortion.
Then there was the fight over informing the mother of the negative aspects of an abortion, which the “liberal” opposed.
“Liberals” for decades have bussed people to rallies such as occurred during the Bush/Gore election. “Liberals” have bussed people to Washington D.C. for the specific purpose of protesting.
And nothing was said of these “mobs”. No criticism. No denigration from the left.
Now the “silent majority” has become fed up with the antics of the left, and are speaking out. And in true form the “liberal” minions are again attacking those who love the freedoms we have and oppose the agenda of the left.
Ken Swipies
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That’s right on the money, Ken. I’ve had it with “liberals”. And I’m not even a conservative, just a moderate…
Ken–
“When Conservatives attempted to protest Roe v. Wade we watched as the police were brought out to arrest the protesters. Then laws were passed to limit, or prevent, protests. Lawsuits were filed under the RICO Act against groups opposed to abortion. Then there was the denigration of these groups with the “liberal” mantra: “Conservatives love the fetus, hate the child” even when Conservatives were building clinics as an alternative to abortion, helping these mothers find others to adopt the child, and providing prenatal care to the mothers that chose to not have an abortion.”
You forgot to mention the support for those who murdered the abortion doctors and clinic workers–who bombed the clinics. Think that MIGHT have caused a reaction on the part of law enforcement?
The ‘silent majority’ mantra came into being during the Nixon administration. It was used to incite the hard-hat brigades to counter protest the lefties that scared the Republicans. Even I remember the street brawls and attacks that ensued. (Sounds a little like a town hall meeting on health care, doesn’t it?) The one thing the extremists on either side have never been is silent, dammit.
Truth be told, the extremes on both sides repulse the majority of Americans. Oh, they may agree with one or the other on a particular issue, but overall they are more centrist than either side wants to admit.
I know…I’m a lying liberal socialist Obama loving far left kook who never worked an honest days labor for a real wage and paid taxes to support the programs I feed off at the government teat…I’m sure I left something out, but you’ll point it out in your response.
“In the 60's we watched as mobs protested the Vietnam War. Since that time we have seen these same “liberal mobs” attack Conservative speakers on university campuses such as happened to the Minutemen, Ann Coulter, David Horowitz, Bill Kristol, Michael Steele, etc. We saw the assault on the podiums, the pies being thrown, or Oreo cookies. Code Pink consistently disrupts Congressional hearings and town hall meetings.”
Bad behavior–and I find the attempted suppression of free speech by the left and right contemptible–never excuses the side that retaliates when they duplicate it. Hooliganism is hooliganism regardless of who the hooligans are. I find them offensive regardless of their political stripe. Sorry, I cannot understand or believe that “the frustration felt by the common person on the street” entitles him to be disruptive, murderous, deceitful, and uninformed. That “common man” that you so wholeheartedly extol as being in the majority just isn’t. You want him to be so you can attempt to push your agenda as a valid widely-supported effort.
Sorry, just ain’t going to happen.
And, please, I didn’t resort to invective or name calling. I tried to provide a reasoned response to a point of view I disagree with and not get caught up in name calling and ranting. That is no substitute for dialogue.
Yup Ken, I’m with ya!!! I clearly recall those nasty Liberal cops bashing in the heads of those Conservative Hippies doing sit down demonstrations all over the country against Vietnam… and those nasty liberal National Guards shooting those awful conservative unarmed students at Kent State,,, oh, and let’s not forget the godawful liberal cops hammering hard on the Connserrvative Rioters in Seattle… yup, those Conservatives sure get it hard!
Dude, you’re delusional
Well Ken, I wouldn’t normally bother with you as you know but we happened to have a copy of your favorite dictionary at work: the American Heritage – it has PICTURES!! How nice for you.
I looked up “liberal” in YOUR dictionary and it became immediately clear why you were so reluctant to define “liberal” for the other post writers.
Lets refresh your memory: “Having, expressing or following political views or policies that favor civil liberties, democratic reforms and the use of governmental power to to promote social progress. Having, expressing or following views or policies that favor the freedom of individuals to act or express themselves in a manner of their own choosing” Later it reads: “Tolerant of the ideas or behaviur of others; broadminded. Tending to give freely; generous”
Well Ken, it’s clear why you didn’t want to type this material. Who in their right mind wouldn’t want to be a liberal? Of course these are the “New Liberals”… er, I mean the “Classical Liberals”…. oooh, I’m all confused now.
Stephen Cramer says:
“You forgot to mention the support for those who murdered the abortion doctors and clinic workers–who bombed the clinics. Think that MIGHT have caused a reaction on the part of law enforcement?”
How many bombings have there been over the years? How many abortionists have been killed? Any idea?
When the protestors attempted to march in Wichita Kansas there had been no bombings, and no killings. There were arrests though of the protestors.
About the same time Tiller was killed a marine recruiter was killed by a Muslim convert. Guess which story was on the front page for two weeks, and which one was ignored?
Now, aside from a few fringe groups which Christians call “cults” (such as the “Army of God”), no one supported the actions of the bombers, or the killers. You could not show one group that condoned the murders. So, I do not know where you even got that idea from.
Again though, you will try to denigrate an entire class of people with whom you disagree simply for your own convenience.
The vast majority of Americans are opposed to abortion on demand just as they are opposed to the recent trend of the left to take over as much of the American economy as they can.
And, so far, the only violence in all of these town hall meetings has been from the left. Sure the right is loud, and vocal. And they are pissed. And as all the polls show the liberals like Obama are losing, and if the common people, which you seem to hold in contempt, stand together perhaps, just perhaps, we can once again make this country great.
BTW, Tiller was the 4th., or 5th., abortion doctor murdered, and there have been approximately 90 clinics burned due to arson. I think only two, or three, have been bombed.
On the other side of the coin, over 400 women have died as a result of complications from abortions; an unknown number of children that have survived an abortion have been allowed to starve to death, sometimes for as long as 24 hours without food, or water (there have been 911 known cases); and at least 4 pro-life supporters have been murdered.
Stephen,
First off, the media shapes public opinion. It feeds the people with the information it wants it to hear. Thus much was made of the murder of Tiller, while the recruiter’s death was ignored. It has to do with the disdain many in the media feel for the military just as those in San Francisco do. Personally, I could care less if Tiller was murdered. He had personally murdered over 15,000 living human beings with his partial birth” procedure, and made millions from it. And while some folks may have wanted to hear about it, one day would have been enough. When a woman dies from a botched abortion what coverage is there for that?
As to the deaths from “back alley” abortions in the 50’s, and 60’s, that long ago was proven to be a fable. It is true that some did die from “abortions” outside of the hospital, most of the deaths actually occured in a hospital setting. You have to remember that even prior to Roe 11 States had legalized abortion, and 5 more had it under consideration. Here is an article you might read especially the last two paragraphs
http://www.lifenews.com/nat4182.html
Pro-Choice murders of Pro-life supporters? Eileen Janezic murdered Jerry Simon; Alfred Smith murdered Deena Moody; Kevin Robinson murdered Daphne Sulk; Lavern Ward murdered Debra Evans.
As to choice, where is the babe in the womb given a choice? When doctors like Tiller suck the brains out of a living baby in the third trimester what is that other then murder? You “pro-choicers” love to say that life begins at viability. Yet this does not apply to a nine month old fetus?
As to the “birther” comment, none of you have provided a logical, or rational, explanation for why Obama is not required to prove he is a Natural Born citizen as is required by the Constitution.
written by R Shortall , August 13, 2009
Well Ken, I wouldn’t normally bother with you as you know but we happened to have a copy of your favorite dictionary at work: the American Heritage – it has PICTURES!! How nice for you.”
So, you finally decided to look up a dictionary defintion, lol
“I looked up “liberal” in YOUR dictionary and it became immediately clear why you were so reluctant to define “liberal” for the other post writers.”
No, I defined it several times. You just could not defend your liberalism as comopared to that of the Founders.
“Lets refresh your memory: “Having, expressing or following political views or policies that favor civil liberties,”
AND HOW IS THIS APPLICAPLE TO THE MODERN LIBERAL? The “Fairness Doctrine” you support? Religious speech on public grounds? How about hiring practices that oppose ones religious views?
“democratic reforms and the use of governmental power to to promote social progress.”
Abortion, sex education, etc.?
“Having, expressing or following views or policies that favor the freedom of individuals to act or express themselves in a manner of their own choosing”
Again, Christian religious expression?
“Later it reads: “Tolerant of the ideas or behaviur of others; broadminded.”
Yeah, we have certainly seen that from you in here, lol
“Tending to give freely; generous”
Todays “liberal” is certainly generous with other peoples money, just not their own.
“Well Ken, it’s clear why you didn’t want to type this material. Who in their right mind wouldn’t want to be a liberal? Of course these are the “New Liberals”… er, I mean the “Classical Liberals”…. oooh, I’m all confused now.”
Wrong again Mr. Boorish. It does not disagree with anything I have said previously.
written by Party Pooper , August 13, 2009
Yup Ken, I’m with ya!!! I clearly recall those nasty Liberal cops bashing in the heads of those Conservative Hippies doing sit down demonstrations all over the country against Vietnam… and those nasty liberal National Guards shooting those awful conservative unarmed students at Kent State,,, oh, and let’s not forget the godawful liberal cops hammering hard on the Connserrvative Rioters in Seattle… yup, those Conservatives sure get it hard!
Dude, you’re delusional”
You know, I don’t know what political beliefs the National Guard had, or the cops. However, I do know what the political leanings of those who destroyed recruiting offices, federal buildings, killed security guards, caused riots, and set off bombs, were.
The only “delusion” I have is called REALITY.
Swiparse,
“No, I defined it several times”…. no you didn’t and if you did, how come it didn’t come out looking like the one Shortall produced from the Heritage Children’s Dictionary… ha ha
You’re a confused kind a guy Ken, no doubt about it. You still don’t get it… the DEFINITION is the definitive article… so if someone’s actions do not match the definition of a liberal then they ARE NOT LIBERALS. Hope that’s simple enough for you Ken but I somehow doubt it.
So “modern liberals” whove done all these nasty things you list above…. they’re not REAL LIBERALS just as McCain isn’t a REAL CONSERVATIVE. Whew!!!
Ken–
You excuse the murderers as being ‘fringe’ and ‘cult’ and they are–but they non-the-less lay claim to the label ‘conservative christian’ when they speak, advertise, and act.
Their actions–blending into crowds, acting under the cloak of darkness, burning, bombing and killing–justifies vigilance. Perhaps the fact that four or five abortion doctors have been murdered is because police action has limited the threats and actions against others.
Abortion is something that is not taken lightly by almost everyone who chooses to have one. Those that don’t want one should not have one. It remains a legal option for the rest. You choose to make the decisions for others. I do not.
Your statistics about abortions are understated–although I cannot verify the ‘pro-lifers’ murdered. Please provide a reference. Women died in even greater numbers from illegal abortions in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Those are the halcyon days you are so fond of recalling in your posts.
And I have NO contempt for the ‘common man.’ Or shall I say I have no more contempt for him than you do–I have read your posts about how stupid they were to be mislead to vote for the democratic ticket and when they disagree with you on anything else where you find yourself in the minority. (Such as the birther claims.)
Oh–and I did pay attention when the marine was murdered. But the ‘business’ of media says cover what the people want–although I am sure you believe that the media covers what the media wants the sheeple(common man) to pay attention to. If Michael Jackson had died a month earlier, we wouldn’t have spent more than 15 seconds on Tiller. It’s all about the bucks.
Swipes
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AND HOW IS THIS APPLICAPLE TO THE MODERN LIBERAL? The “Fairness Doctrine” you support? Religious speech on public grounds? How about hiring practices that oppose ones religious views? ”
It isn’t applicable to the modern liberal, maybe NONE of the characteristics listed in the definition are… ergo… these people purporting to be “liberals” AREN’T LIBERALS! QED… see, it’s easy. By your own argument using the definition YOU supplied, the Dems are not real liberals, they are Pretend Liberals. I agree with you. See, I told you if you defined “liberal” it would all turn out OK.
And we’re now at the end of Level one of the debate: we are agreed that Democrats are not liberals and even “modern liberals” (unspecified) are not “Classical Liberals” like the Founders. Now please define Classical Liberalism and Elitism – I think we will also agree that one cannot be an elitist AND a true liberal – that would be two areas of agreement in one day. So… “Classical liberalism is….” and “Elitism is….”
Swipees
“First off, the media shapes public opinion. It feeds the people with the information it wants it to hear GLAD YOU’VE FINALLY REALIZED THAT PROFESSOR SWIPIES – AND YOU ARE THE MOST BRAINWASHED INDIVIDUAL I’VE EVER ENCOUNTERED.
It has to do with the disdain many in the media feel for the military BS, I DON’T KNOW OF ANYONE WHO WOULD DARE SAY THEY HAD DISDAIN FOR THE MILITARY!
Personally, I could care less if Tiller was murdered WOULD JESUS SAY THIS? . He had personally murdered over 15,000 living human beings with his partial birth” procedure WELL THAT’S A LIE FOR A START… HE DIDN’T DO 15,000 PARTIAL BIRTH PROCEDURES!!! DON’T EXAGGERATE SO, SWIPIES!, and made millions from it SOMETHING WRONG WITH MAKING MONEY? HALLIBURTON DID WELL OUT OF IRAQ.
And while some folks may have wanted to hear about it, one day would have been enough LESSON IN “MARKET DRIVEN NEWS”: ALL NEWS IS DRIVEN BY MARKET RESEARCH… WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS… NEWS? THOSE WERE THE DAYS. .
When a woman dies from a botched abortion what coverage is there for that? WELL, PROBABLY NO HEALTH COVERAGE IF YOU HAD YOUR WAY!! HAHA
You have to remember that even prior to Roe 11 States had legalized abortion, and 5 more had it under consideration. I THINK THE DEMS URGENTLY NEED TO GET “ABORTION” OFF THEIR LIST OF INTERESTS AND FAST… WE NEED TO RECIND ROE VERSUS WADE NOW!!! WHY… BEST WAY TO DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY – “ABORTION” ATTRACTS MILLIONS OF WACKY-BACKY-LOONS AND FETUS-FETISHISTS TO THEIR RANKS… WITHOUT R VS W TO HOOK THEIR ATTENTION, MANY OF THESE WACKOS WOULD GO BACK TO HUNTING BULL TOADS OR WHATEVER THEY USUALLY DO AND THEY WOULDN’T BE THE INAPPROPRIATE VOTING BLOCK THEY ARE NOW. DEMS,,,, AS “W” WOULD HAVE SAID: THINK STRATEGERYISTICALLY
written by Steerpike ,
Swipes
It isn’t applicable to the modern liberal, maybe NONE of the characteristics listed in the definition are… ergo… these people purporting to be “liberals” AREN’T LIBERALS! QED… see, it’s easy. By your own argument using the definition YOU supplied, the Dems are not real liberals, they are Pretend Liberals. I agree with you. See, I told you if you defined “liberal” it would all turn out OK.”
Well, if you had done so in the beginning of this topic when I first stated such three weeks ago we could have avoided a lot of back and forth.
“And we’re now at the end of Level one of the debate: we are agreed that Democrats are not liberals and even “modern liberals” (unspecified) are not “Classical Liberals” like the Founders. Now please define Classical Liberalism and Elitism – I think we will also agree that one cannot be an elitist AND a true liberal – that would be two areas of agreement in one day. So… “Classical liberalism is….” and “Elitism is….”
LOL, the dictionary definition is the definition of the Classical Liberal as the Founders were. Thought we were agreed on that. And I have already defined “elitism”, and you want to go through that again?
written by Party Pooper , August 13, 2009
no you didn’t and if you did, how come it didn’t come out looking like the one Shortall produced from the Heritage Children’s Dictionary… ha ha”
Ahh Mr. PP, it did. You just would not accept it just as you now try to make it out that Shortall posted the actual defintion from a “childrens” dictionary.
“You’re a confused kind a guy Ken, no doubt about it. You still don’t get it… the DEFINITION is the definitive article… so if someone’s actions do not match the definition of a liberal then they ARE NOT LIBERALS. Hope that’s simple enough for you Ken but I somehow doubt it.”
Some how you seem to forget all the times I asked how the “modern liberal” was protecting individual rights, supporting social morals that benefitted all of society, or preventing restraints on economic conditions. All of these questions I asked you chose to ignore, and failed to answer. Now you suddenly have the answers?
“So “modern liberals” whove done all these nasty things you list above…. they’re not REAL LIBERALS just as McCain isn’t a REAL CONSERVATIVE. Whew!!!”
McCain is not a real Conservative. If you had noticed he was much closer to Obama then to a Jefferson. He does not want to secure the borders, supports a national healthcare system, supports “comprehensive illegal immigration reform”, etc.
written by Party Pooper,
Swipees
“GLAD YOU’VE FINALLY REALIZED THAT PROFESSOR SWIPIES – AND YOU ARE THE MOST BRAINWASHED INDIVIDUAL I’VE EVER ENCOUNTERED.”
LOL PP, you are a funny guy. My comment was in response to your erroneous comment. Glad to see you agree with me though.
“BS, I DON’T KNOW OF ANYONE WHO WOULD DARE SAY THEY HAD DISDAIN FOR THE MILITARY!”
Of course not. They are too cowardly to do so. Well, that is with the exception fo the Clintons who used the military personel in the WH for “busboys” at their events; or the crowd in San Francisco (and other cities) who want to close recruiting stations, or prevent military recruiters from entering schools, or the ones that have spit on returning veterans; or the ones that have consistently criticized the vast “military complex”, etc.
“WOULD JESUS SAY THIS?”
In a word, yes. Christ would never have allowed him to attend a church service. Have you ever read Pauls first letter to the Corinthians
“WELL THAT’S A LIE FOR A START… HE DIDN’T DO 15,000 PARTIAL BIRTH PROCEDURES!!! DON’T EXAGGERATE SO, SWIPIES!”
You are right. He did closer to 16,000, and his clinic did 60,000 abortions.
“SOMETHING WRONG WITH MAKING MONEY? HALLIBURTON DID WELL OUT OF IRAQ.”
And yet you criticize Halliburton for making money. I have something against those who make money off kiddy porn. Do you? I have something against the bankers who are making millions off the bail out. Do you?
“LESSON IN “MARKET DRIVEN NEWS”: ALL NEWS IS DRIVEN BY MARKET RESEARCH… WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS… NEWS? THOSE WERE THE DAYS. .”
A long time ago one of the editors for a major news network made the claim that the news was what they wanted the people to hear. It had nothing to do with “MARKET RESEARCH”. Perhaps that is why so many news organizations are going broke.
“WELL, PROBABLY NO HEALTH COVERAGE IF YOU HAD YOUR WAY!! HAHA”
Your compassion for the death of an innocent woman is noted.
“I THINK THE DEMS URGENTLY NEED TO GET “ABORTION” OFF THEIR LIST OF INTERESTS AND FAST… WE NEED TO RECIND ROE VERSUS WADE NOW!!! WHY… BEST WAY TO DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY – “ABORTION” ATTRACTS MILLIONS OF WACKY-BACKY-LOONS AND FETUS-FETISHISTS TO THEIR RANKS… WITHOUT R VS W TO HOOK THEIR ATTENTION, MANY OF THESE WACKOS WOULD GO BACK TO HUNTING BULL TOADS OR WHATEVER THEY USUALLY DO AND THEY WOULDN’T BE THE INAPPROPRIATE VOTING BLOCK THEY ARE NOW. DEMS,,,, AS “W” WOULD HAVE SAID: THINK STRATEGERYISTICALLY”
First off, you mispelled “rescind”, and it should be repeal. Secondly, you mispelled “strategically”, or was it to be “strategery”.
Next, ending abortions would definitely save lives. However, of what concern would that be to you, and your “compassionate” crowd that vilifies the loss of innocent life till it seems to fit your agenda. You show more concern for the loss of innocent life in a time of war then you do for the loss of innocent life at the hands of abortion butchers.
Swipies cites four examples of murder that he claims were the result of a campaign of violence of pro-choice versus pro-life and resulted in the death of an anti-abortion activist. A little research shows that one was a nut job who worshiped satan and killed her victims because they would not testify for her in a custody case. One was a 37 year old man who killed his 15 year old ‘girl friend’ when she refused to get an abortion (seems like there were some other issues going on here.) One was a man who killed his pregnant girlfriend when she refused to get an abortion (sounds like domestic violence–neither was closely tied to pro-life or pro-choice groups.) The last was a group of three people who killed a woman, ripped the child from her womb because they wanted a baby, and killed two of the woman’s other children to eliminate witnesses(HTF does this even rise to the level of consideration in such an argument?)
These and other such tenuous examples of Choice versus Life violence are kicking around the pro-life websites in their efforts to portray themselves as the victims. Obviously, some people are more than willing to swallow the line…
The article on the website http://www.lifenews.com/nat4182.html concerns the continuation of illegal and back-alley abortions and does not deny their existence. Swipies recommended the last two paragraphs. The third from the last states:
“That back alley abortions haven’t stopped with the legalization of abortion, as pro-abortion groups said it would, is no surprise.”
Not exactly a statement that they are nothing more than a myth.
Dr. Bernard Nathanson, one of the original co-founders of NARAL, is quoted as saying that they made up the number of 5000 to 10000 deaths to push their point of view and get abortion legalized. There was nothing they had to support that number. However, he never states that they didn’t happen. Now that Nathanson, the self described Jewish atheist has converted to Roman Catholicism he is a stalwart pro-life advocate. ‘Silent Scream’, the movie of an abortion as seen through an ultrasound is his most famous contribution to the debate.
And it is obvious that the media shapes public opinion. Swipies has been shaped by pro-life websites, far right websites, right wing media on television and radio, to the point where there is no right or wrong–only Swipies.
Others may find it amusing to joust with him, but I am done. He dwells in a bizarro land where up is down and left is right. If a lie is big enough and repeated often enough and posted on enough websites–it becomes the truth. He has become the final arbiter in what is right, conservative, truthful, and moral. Providing him with continued opportunity to spew forth will not come from me.
Cramer you (s)wipeed the floor with him.. I just play with the fool to make him rant and rage. It’s bad for his health and good for mine. He is the King of La La Land, I’ll give you that.
But we’re all lying, cowardly, “compassionate”, tin-foil hat wearin’, bong smokin’, fetus hatin’, draft dodgin’, eeeeelitist dang librils!!!! There’s over 50 million like this dufus… America is soooooo finished.
“”modern liberal”
I will be delighted to debate this with you Swipearse but you’ll have to define “modern liberal” first… otherwise we’ll just end up going around and around in circles
And I noticed this: “LOL, the dictionary definition is the definition of the Classical Liberal as the Founders were. Thought we were agreed on that. And I have already defined “elitism”, and you want to go through that again”
Well LOL…. I can’t find Classical Liberal in the children’s dictionary you recommended we all use. And you have not DEFINED elitist. Try harder Kenny boy
Mr. PP says,
I will be delighted to debate this with you Swipearse but you’ll have to define “modern liberal” first… otherwise we’ll just end up going around and around in circles”
And here I thought the definition would be obvious, however, you remind me of Bill Clinton when he said “It depends on how you define ‘is'” as he lied to the Court.
Back in my grade school days children used to make a mockery of my last name. Of course, it was most often as they were running away.
Since the dictionary definition of “liberal” is that of a “Classical Liberal” one could assume, if they were capable of honest thought, that under the current circumstances a “modern liberal” would be the opposite of the “liberal”. Of course, in certain cases it could be defined as a “useful idiot”.
“Well LOL…. I can’t find Classical Liberal in the children’s dictionary you recommended we all use. And you have not DEFINED elitist. Try harder Kenny boy”
Now, I am not going to go back to other letters to find where I defined “elitist” simply because you don’t want an honest debate, and would rather try to denigrate another with your inane comments. If you wanted a debate you would at least try some civility which seems to be beyond you, and others.
I guess I should also remind you that it was you, and others, who first brought up the idea of using the dictionary definition. Can you find “Classical Liberal” in your dictionary? Simply because you have lost the debate over what a “liberal” is should not deter one who wishes to appear as intelligent as you from engagement.
written by Stephen Cramer ,
Swipies cites four examples of murder that he claims were the result of a campaign of violence of pro-choice versus pro-life and resulted in the death of an anti-abortion activist.”
Lying again I see. I never claimed it was a “campaign”. What you wanted were example of violence against pro-life individuals by pro-choice, and those I gave you.
“These and other such tenuous examples of Choice versus Life violence are kicking around the pro-life websites in their efforts to portray themselves as the victims. Obviously, some people are more than willing to swallow the line…”
Who is swallowing what? First off, you chose to ignore that the first murder I mentioned was against a pro-life activist minister who was also a radio talk show host. The you choose to ignore any acts of violence against those who oppose abortions as if to justify those acts, or make them meaningless.
“The article on the website http://www.lifenews.com/nat4182.html concerns the continuation of illegal and back-alley abortions and does not deny their existence. Swipies recommended the last two paragraphs. The third from the last states:
“That back alley abortions haven’t stopped with the legalization of abortion, as pro-abortion groups said it would, is no surprise.”
Not exactly a statement that they are nothing more than a myth.”
The “Myth” involves the numbers used to justify the argument for abortions. Each one of the alleged numbers has been proven to be a lie as Nathanson confirms. To think he is the only one who has done so is equally untrue.
I would also remind you that it was Nathanson who testified that there were no clinics performing “partial birth abortions”. This turned out to be a lie when it was discovered that a New Jersey clinic had performed 1200 said abortions that same year.
Then too, since you find it inconsequential that hundreds of women have died as a result of legalized abortion; that “back alley” abortions have not ended; that a viable child is routinely killed by the likes of Tiller; that a child who survives an abortion is allowed to starve to death in order to complete the abortion process; or even that 99% of all abortions performed are done so for convenience sake, not matters of health.
Furthermore, you would deny that Planned Parenthood uses federal funds to pay for abortions; refuses to report child molestors to the authorities who impregnate a child; that Planned Parenthood seeks to circumvent parental rights through taking a child across State lines for an abortion, or through the handing out of birth control pills without parental permission, or knowledge, etc.
“And it is obvious that the media shapes public opinion. Swipies has been shaped by pro-life websites, far right websites, right wing media on television and radio, to the point where there is no right or wrong–only Swipies.”
You may find it useful to believe a lie without verifying its reality as is most often true with the brainwashed left whose only interest in the truth is to denigrate it. I never said there were no “back allley” abortions, only that the numbers were highly exaggerated. Equally true is that 11 States had legalized abortions, and 5 other States had the legalization under consideration. However, that was not good enough for the blood thirsty left. They had to manufacture a statistic to make society more sympathetic to their cause. The same was true in the arguments given in Roe, and its companions case Doe. Both cases were based on a lie.
The case in Roe was not an issue of whether she could get an abortion. All she had to do was go to a State where it was legal. However, it is equally important to recognize that Roe only addressed the first trimester of a pregnancy. One would think this would satisfy the blood lust of the fetus haters. However, this was not true. No more then was the ink dry on Roe, and the left was persuing the “right” to an abortion throughout the entire pregnancy. Thus came Doe, Casey, and other cases, which extended the “right” to kill the unborn up to the time, and even at that time, of delivery.
“Others may find it amusing to joust with him, but I am done. He dwells in a bizarro land where up is down and left is right. If a lie is big enough and repeated often enough and posted on enough websites–it becomes the truth. He has become the final arbiter in what is right, conservative, truthful, and moral. Providing him with continued opportunity to spew forth will not come from me”
You have said this before, however, your insatiable desire to be made a fool of will not prevent you from posting.
Sometimes a matter is just right, and always wrong.
R Shortall says ,
Cramer you (s)wipeed the floor with him.. I just play with the fool to make him rant and rage. It’s bad for his health and good for mine. He is the King of La La Land, I’ll give you that.
But we’re all lying, cowardly, “compassionate”, tin-foil hat wearin’, bong smokin’, fetus hatin’, draft dodgin’, eeeeelitist dang librils!!!! There’s over 50 million like this dufus… America is soooooo finished.”
Nothing you could do would be “bad” for my health.
So far you have done a great job at proving what you mean by a “rational” debate, and who it is that stifles such a debate.
You have also proven your “courage” with your concerns over your “personal safety” much as Bill Clinton did in his draft dodging exercises.
And, just as the other children in here do, you refuse to recognize the correctness of my remarks, and prefer to use mockery to stress your points.
What will “finish” this country is the over 50 million that voted for Obama, and we are just beginning to see how incompetent he is. Of course, having a Democrat controlled House, and Senate, is of no benefit to the country as has been proven in times past.
Poor Swipies… he hasn’t noticed that Shortall and Cramer have stopped responding to his drivel and he’s still ranting on and on at the moon!!
Philosophy: Advanced
“Sometimes a matter is just right, and always wrong”
Oh, we’re back to moral absolutes like “Thou shalt not kill” er I mean “Thou shalt not Murder” or was that “Thou shalt not stomp on bugs”
This is the funniest of them all – I blame the education system for teaching kids that their opinion is “valid” even it it’s absolute rubbish… now these kids have “graduated” and the net is packed to the rafters with Swipies-like-organisms who can’t even read their own rubbish and say “woops, better not post that, a guy has to have some standards you know”
Steerpile says:
Poor Swipies… he hasn’t noticed that Shortall and Cramer have stopped responding to his drivel and he’s still ranting on and on at the moon!!”
On two ocassions in the past both have said they were quitting responding. Obviously they lied, lol
Aside from that, I was just responding to their “last” post, and you want to call it a “rant”. Too funny.
“This is the funniest of them all – I blame the education system for teaching kids that their opinion is “valid” even it it’s absolute rubbish… now these kids have “graduated” and the net is packed to the rafters with Swipies-like-organisms who can’t even read their own rubbish and say “woops, better not post that, a guy has to have some standards you know””
What the education system is teaching the kids is to accept the rubbish of the theacher without question. They are becoming mental drones just as you are. So far you have not proven any of my comments inaccurate, and have only attempted in your sputtering way to denigrate me thinking that by doing so you are actually engaging in “debate”.
Well, your kind of debate anyway. Pitiful little critter you are.
Hey Kenny!!!! Thanks for your erudite response
“What the education system is teaching the kids is to accept the rubbish of the theacher without question. NOT QUITE… BUT CLOSE. They are becoming mental drones PRECISELY!!!! just as you are NOW KENNY BOY, WE HAVE ALL SHOWN YOU TO BE THE DRONE AROUND THESE PARTS… CONSERVATISM BREEDS CONFORMITY: THAT’S WHAT IT’S ALL ABOUT BY BOY. So far you have notwithout question. They are becoming mental drones just as you are. So far you have not proven any of my comments inaccurate, and have only attempted in your sputtering SPUTTSPUTTSPUTT way to denigrate me thinking that by doing so you are actually engaging in “debate” SINCE YOU GOT HERE THERE HAS BEEN LITTLE OR NO DEBATE… YOU, THE SECRET INGREDIENT. LOL
Well, your kind of debate anyway. Pitiful little critter you are” I’M HURT BY THIS… REALLY
Mr. Swipies–
Just shut up! When you can get pregnant, you can do what you want, but don’t tell everyone else YOU know what they should do because god talks to you and you absolutely know what is right and wrong for them. I notice that all of you arguing about abortion and reproductive rights and the rights of the unborn are men. I am sure there are women who feel the way you do, too, but the law is the law and until you change it, let me and the rest of us who believe differently and obey the law live our lives the way we choose and don’t interfere.
You claim that you ‘never’ made certain claims and implied certain things–the opposite is true and if you don’t know how to read your posts or actually write them clearly, maybe you should stop. I don’t think the people posting who taunt you do themselves or their cause any good by stooping to the juvenile name-calling and joining your ‘liar, liar, pants on fire’ type of responses, but after reading your posts and the posts of others for the last few weeks, I can state that you and the others have NOT advanced your arguments one iota.
It’s typical male, macho, alpha-dog behavior that show a lack of maturity, intelligence and compassion. All of you should just grow up. My grand kids get a time out when they behave the way you do.
Now, go ahead and attack me, too, you jerks…
Dear FUG… I agree wholeheartedly with you.